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50 years old ! can"t read music,never played the vibraphone don't have an instrument
I would like to learn,where do I begin,do I save and buy a malletkat or a vibraphone
what books should I buy to learn to read whats first where do I start i'd like a step by step
way to make this happen for me,thanks in advance
Didee-bop

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tpvibes Mon, 11/16/2009 - 23:35

Hi Didee-bop,

I'd say a good way to get started is to take a private lesson. You could do a remote lesson over the Internet with one of the teachers here, but your profile says you live in NYC, so there should also be plenty of local possibilities. That'll give you a feel for what's involved and someone to get you started.

Tom P.

Didee-bop Tue, 11/17/2009 - 11:31

In reply to by tonymiceli

malletkat or standard vibes ,used ? where to look and how much to spend, what brand
thanks
Didee-Bop

tonymiceli Tue, 11/17/2009 - 11:53

In reply to by Didee-bop

i love my mallet kat, but that doesn't come first.

acoustic set first.

what kind? do you have dollars? then get a vanderplas

otherwise i say get a musser m-55. it's the easiest to move around.

i'd love to hear david make a pitch for yamaha, or anyone else for any other brand. i'm NOT doing a commercial just giving my opinion.

you know if someone else made a frame like the m-55 everything would change.

for my main axe i need the instrument that sets up the fastest. (still want a show down with mike pinto. )

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Marie-Noëlle Tue, 11/17/2009 - 11:58

In reply to by tonymiceli

He said he would do that supa-setup in 8 mn during the last vibe hang! I never saw it! So... did he do it for real? Or is he a deserter? huh? :o)
- M

tpvibes Tue, 11/17/2009 - 14:06

In reply to by Didee-bop

Steve Weiss Percussion is a good place to start looking -- see http://www.steveweissmusic.com/category/vibraphone/a. The Musser M55 (also called the Musser Pro) that Tony mentions is pretty much the standard pro model; it's about $4K ($3970 at Steve Weiss right now, not including shipping). Lone Star Percussion is another good place to look. Once you narrow down to a few models, Google the model numbers and you'll be surprised at the number of sources.

You can find used M55s (and other models) on Craigslist and other places for $3K plus-or-minus a few hundred. Older vibes that were well-taken-care-of tend to be fine instruments.

Yamaha and Adams make comparable models to Musser for comparable prices. The quality of Yamaha's professional series vibes seem to be comparable to Musser. Their glossy finish vibes have a brighter sound that I personally don't find perfect. Their matte finish vibes sound better to me. Many people feel the opposite. For Adams, several people have complained about the quality of tuning straight from the factory and had their instruments re-tuned at a cost of a couple of hundred dollars. Once that's taken care of they seem to love their instruments.

Cheaper alternatives include the Musser M46 "One-Nighter", which is about $1K cheaper than the M55. The older versions had non-graduated bars and were a noticeable step down from the M55, but about 10 years ago they were redesigned with graduated bars and presumably the sound is better. Yamaha and Adams have similar models.

Cheapest of all are used Jencos (Jenco went out of business about 40 years ago). Those can be found for several hundred dollars. They don't sound anywhere near as good as an M55 or comparable Yamaha. If you buy one of these you'll buy another instrument when you get good, but that might not be a bad strategy.

Some things to look for/know about:

  • Graduated and non-graduated bars -- Higher end vibes tend to have graduated bars (the lower bars are wider than the upper bars, graduating through a few steps in between). This gives better volume balance over the instrument. Non-graduated vibes aren't necessarily bad, and graduated vibes aren't necessarily good, but there does tend to be a sound quality difference in favor of graduated vibes.
  • Motor or no motor -- The base One-Nighter vibe comes without a motor. Add a motor and it's only a few hundred dollars cheaper than an M55. When a model comes in motored and motor-less models, the difference is usually several hundred dollars. There's a major almost-religious war between vibists who love the sound with the motor and vibists who hate it. You aren't going to know your opinion for a while. Personally, I've never even plugged the motor on my M55 in. But I still got a motor :-).
  • Bar color -- Doesn't matter, sound-wise. Gold bars cost a couple of hundred more. If you prefer that look (I do), go for it, but gold and silver color sound the same.
  • Bar finish -- Yamaha offers matte and glossy finish for the bars. The finish does make a difference in the sound. To me, glossy sounds bright and glassy, matte sounds darker and warmer. Which you prefer is completely a matter of personal style.
  • Range -- Be sure to get at least a 3-octave instrument, starting from the F below middle C. Don't buy a 2.5-octave instrument.

Tom P.

vibeman27 Tue, 11/17/2009 - 16:57

In reply to by tpvibes

In this account we have the Musser Pro (old and new models) and Jenco (one of the worst and cheapest brands) and in between, Yamaha and Adams. I, therefore, would like to add to this. While they are no longer produced, the Deagan is most certainly a viable option for someone looking to buy a set of vibes. They come in very portable models such as the Traveller (582 and 510) a top of the line model, Aurora (1100)(which was considered for years as the benchmark in vibes) and a portable pro model of the Aurora, the Commander (592) series. These vibes can be found in varying price ranges depending on where you look. Deagans were known for their excellent tuning and sustain. They almost all came with motors and variable motors at that (slow to fast)(later models). While I have a Ross now, Ross has succumbed the vibraphone death and is being produced by Majestic under that name. The Ross can still be found as a used instrument, and a economic one but I personally feel you will later have to buy another vibe.

You might also check the website: http://www.malletjazz.com operated by James Walker. It has a database of comparisons of various sets of vibraphones.

BruceW

tpvibes Tue, 11/17/2009 - 19:12

In reply to by vibeman27

Hi Bruce,

That's a good addition to the discussion.

Tom P.